Pls More Kernels In Lewy's Spot

[Ramik]

Can someone (Lightning ? ) make some more 0.3.7 kernels ? <a href='http://lewys-spot.dyndns.org/kernels/' target='_blank'>http://lewys-spot.dyndns.org/kernels/</a>

I'm thinking about something like kernel-035.cd-ipsec-vipc but for 0.3.7 (kernel-037.cd-ipsec-vipc).

Also a readme would be nice since I haven't got the slightest idea on the differences between kernel-035.cd-586-triton-vipc and kernel-035.cd-686-triton-vipc (beside the names), or for that matter what exactly triton stands for besides the Intel arch ? I have shuttle-hot-555 MoBo that is triton based and I never used to have problems so I figure its probably a feature or a whole different thing...
And as the 2.0.39 kernel doesn't support cool stuff like USB or anything like that I keep wandering just what 686 is ? MMX ? what good is it for ?

I know the vipc and the ipsec are package required (iftop i think ? and alike), CD-ROM is to make the cd work but does that mean mounting ? burning ?

Also what about loopback ? I know that without using kernel-037.cd-686-triton-vipc-power_off I can't mount an iso file through a loopback device, but is it the cd, the 686, the triton, or some other too obvious a feature to mention that adds that ?

the readme doesn't have to be gz' with each file as I'm sure this will require rewriting your kernel utility (though I can't be sure as I never managed to use it ), but pls at least put it in the directory so lazy folks like me won't need to recompile on their own

* Is it just me or does it seems like every time you recompile you forget adding / removing something ? aha...

I am very confused :unsure:

Thanks !

Reason for edit: typos, stupidity and lack of sleep.

[Slowpoke]

I am very confused  :unsure:

Perhaps I can help with some of your questions...

...I haven't got the slightest idea on the differences between kernel-035.cd-586-triton-vipc and kernel-035.cd-686-triton-vipc (beside the names)...

You should be able to figure out what each section (cd, vipc, etc...) stands for by looking at the kernel list found here: <a href='http://www.freesco.org/index.php?id=k' target='_blank'>http://www.freesco.org/index.php?id=k</a>. About half way down the page, it has descriptions for various custom kernels that are available. If you still can't figure out what a particular section means/stands for, post again, and someone (who builds/works with kernels) will answer about that section. Basically, each section name is something 'extra' that has been compiled into the kernel, that would otherwise not be a part of the stock kernel. (The architecture is set in the stock kernel for i386, so it will work with any x86 processor newer than the 386.)

...pls at least put <the readme> in the directory...

I take it you're referring to Lightning's kernel download page? :happy: All of the other kernel mirror's (to my knowledge) have descriptioins next to each kernel (see link in last quote). Lightning, being the author of this wonderful work, I think is exempt due to the fact that he will custom build a kernel for anyone who asks, and it would be a lot of extra work if he had to update a web page with information about that kernel every time he built another kernel for someone. His time is better spent working on the next version of FREESCO (just look at v0.3.7 for example!!! :wub: ).

...what 686 is ? MMX ?...

These are the 'minimum' architecture that the kernel will work on - 586 means Pentium Classic, 686 means Pentium Pro/P-II, MMX means the special MMX instruction set has been included (not all P-Classics had MMX support). As long as you have the same (or newer) processor, that kernel will work with your processor.

...CD-ROM is to make the cd work but does that mean mounting ? burning ?...

The 'cd' section refers to CD-ROM support. Without this section, no CD-ROM support is included. The particular functions (reading, writing, rewriting) are taken care of by external programs, as long as CD-ROM support is there, and provided your CD device can support it.

...Also what about loopback ? I know that without using kernel-037.cd-686-triton-vipc-power_off I can't mount an iso file through a loopback device...

This is related to the last quote: No, without the CD support in the kernel, you will not be able to mount a CD-ROM, or, in this case, a CD-ROM image. The CD section contains the info on how to interpet the ISO standard that CDs are made with, including the images. Loopback support is in all FREESCO kernels.

...what exactly triton stands for besides the Intel arch ?...

This is the name Intel previously used for it's chipsets. For a history of the Intel chipsets (and the names), see here: <a href='http://www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia_term/0,2542,t=Intel+chipsets&i=45089,00.asp' target='_blank'>http://www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia_term/0,2...&i=45089,00.asp</a>.

...make some more 0.3.7 kernels  ?...

Lightning made mention, in another post, that he will be creating more kernels for 0.3.7. If you have a specific or unusual kernel that needs compiling, just ask Lightning, and he'll compile a custom kernel for you. It is safe in the mean time to use any other kernel, from any other 0.3.x version (EXCEPT 0.3.3!!!) in the new 0.3.7 version.


I hope this clears some of this up for you!


-Slowpoke

[Slowpoke]

PS: I found the post by Lightning:<!--QuoteBegin-Lightning+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lightning)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You can use any FREESCO version kernel in any version of FREESCO with the exception of anything made for 033. But the newer the FREESCO kernel means it has more patches and or more capabilities included by default. So I would recommend 037 kernels for 036 and less systems even over the kernels made for a specific version of FREESCO.
Which if anyone needs specific options in a kernel all they have to do is ask and give a description of what they need and I will make one.[/quote]

[PHBC50]

Hello,
The new kernels for FREESCO v0.3.7 may also be downloaded from the FREESCO kernel mirror. I have added the latest kernels for FREESCO 0.3.7 at :

<a href='http://freesco.zapto.org/kernels/' target='_blank'>http://freesco.zapto.org/kernels/</a>

For better clarity I have added a page for each FREESCO version, simply click the link on the top of the kernel page to display the kernels for your version.


regards,
PHBC50

[dRB]

Just to add to Slowpoke's comments,

... with respect to the custom kernels page at the main site,
... and to clarify this main site resource somewhat

While I have included a link to Lightning's list of kernels, keep in mind that what Lightning provides for custom kernels is separate from the kernel mirror resource.

As far as I understand, Lightning has listed a few custom kernels as a convenience measure, separate from the kernel mirror system.

This is in fact an intentional "error" on my part.

-dRB

[Ramik]

Thanks for all the replies
Tthe odd thing is that I'm running my freesco on shuttle hot 555 MoBo with the Intel Triton 430VX chipset ( <a href='http://artofhacking.com/th99/m/S-T/33824.htm' target='_blank'>http://artofhacking.com/th99/m/S-T/33824.htm</a> and <a href='http://web.tiscali.it/acorp/?http://web.tiscali.it/acorp/mobo_spec/shuttle-spacewalker/hot-555_v1_52/hot-555_v1_52.htm)' target='_blank'>http://web.tiscali.it/acorp/?http://web.ti...-555_v1_52.htm)</a>, with the 686 kernel (kernel-037.cd-686-triton-vipc-power_off), so I was very confused (and still am) about all of this.
I already knew about <a href='http://www.freesco.org/index.php?id=k' target='_blank'>http://www.freesco.org/index.php?id=k</a> and I think I actually had Lightning make me a custom kernel for 035 (The lost posts) but alas...

I think Triton is referring to an early triton 430 as well as Triton II, or else how does my machine boot ?

I would like a kernel that adds ipsec to kernel-037.cd-686-triton-vipc-power_off and removes the power_off (as my power is not soft but hard - real power switch as apposed to your this days run of the mill soft power off that sends a shutdown request to the os...), but since my current kernel runs just fine and I don't NEED an apache server, I think I give lightning a break .

I think for my other problems\questions I'll open a new post so to not clutter this one.

Thanks All !!!

[Lightning]

I added a Readme.txt on my kernel page to explain the options for the kernels. I also compiled a 037 kernel that should work as required. Although there is nothing really wrong with the 035 kernel in this aplication.
As always I am really curious as to the stability of these IPSEC kernels. This is an option that I would like to include as a default option. But I was bitten pretty bad in 030 before there had been some extra patches to the kernel source that seem to have improved it's stability.

[CDFiXER]

I think Triton is referring to an early triton 430 as well as Triton II, or else how does my machine boot ?

Unless your mobo maker did something 'funny' in the BIOS the 430VX does include the 'Triton' enhancements. Anything in the 430 line from the TX on up should include the Triton core enhancements, plus the extras for whatever subfamily. For example, the 430 HX does not include Triton stuff.

From what I have read and encountered, the Triton calls are even available in some newer chipsets. I have tried this myself on one or two Pentium II machines and the Triton kernel worked just fine.

If you want to expirament with SSD's, be aware the kernel with M-Systems DOC support seems to work but the tools to work with the dang things are not compatible with a 2.0.xx kernel :angry: Lightning & I (I have the hardware, he told me what to type and sent me kernels & files ) were able to get the DOC recognized, but were never able to format it, IIRC. Also, I think Lightning left the DOC device names in his kernels now. Other 'true' IDE compatible SSD's should work just fine.

[Ramik]

I added a Readme.txt on my kernel page to explain the options for the kernels. I also compiled a 037 kernel that should work as required. Although there is nothing really wrong with the 035 kernel in this aplication.
As always I am really curious as to the stability of these IPSEC kernels. This is an option that I would like to include as a default option. But I was bitten pretty bad in 030 before there had been some extra patches to the kernel source that seem to have improved it's stability.

Thanks Lightning ! I do admit I rarely get the chance to stress test ipsec, but it never did anything wrong while remaining unused and since every once and a while I found my self needing it (I establish a vpn with some friends to fake lan game ) and when i did used it nothing bad happened, I wanted it .

IPsec is unstable (for some, not me) at best so might it be possible to make it into a model instead of being compiled in the kernel ? I know I can't do it but won't this solve the problem ? I don't suppose user-mode is possible )

O, and the readme is PERFECT !!! Thanks !!!

CD FIXER: The only interest I had in chipset is when I found that when I tried connecting a PCI2USB (4 USBs) card, the machine didn't even power on to bios (no screen, no beeps), this was odd since it stated to be "PCI Bus Standard 2.1" and to have "USB Support", So I started reading on the chipset and while doing that I noticed that a freesco kernel, I've been using successfully, supported it, so I figured they might be some gain to add from having a kernel support to it (like the performance gains some programs get from MMX) so I added this to my "I Wish it was in a kernel" list (along with a coffee making feature).

I suppose having the possibly useless triton along with the useful vipc, the very useful CD support and the must have IPsec (despite its instability, I need it for VPN stuff) can't hurt

P.S: This seems handy: <a href='http://www.pcguide.com/ref/mbsys/chip/pop/g5iI430HX-c.html' target='_blank'>http://www.pcguide.com/ref/mbsys/chip/pop/g5iI430HX-c.html</a>
it seems that their was a good "430 HX" which was triton and was a very good model - supports everything from the Triton chipset plus more memory support for servers, and a cheap "430 HX Pro" which was, well, crap
This jumped to memory as I remember at the time having being warned by my uncle about some "evil" pro models, I think this was the time I started using amd exclusively (+-K6) until this year when I started considering Core 2 Duo .

As far as I understood Triton became a standard part of every Intel MoBo at the time, being fully, partly, and to different varying versions, implemented in almost every intel MoBo.
I think at one point it became so common that they simply dropped the name, This resembles how they used to advertise MMX in their CPUs but later when it became a standard and SSE came out, they simply only gave it a one liner in the manuals and "refer to" in the spec sheets.

Thanks All !

[dingetje]

Hello,
The new kernels for FREESCO v0.3.7 may also be downloaded from the FREESCO kernel mirror. I have added the latest kernels for FREESCO 0.3.7 at :

<a href='http://freesco.zapto.org/kernels/' target='_blank'>http://freesco.zapto.org/kernels/</a>

For better clarity I have added a page for each FREESCO version, simply click the link on the top of the kernel page to display the kernels for your version.


regards,
PHBC50

I'm glad the kernel mirrors are being worked on again! ^_^

A few remarks though:

You mention on the kernels start page, which is now split on FREESCO version (good!):

All kernels are compiled using a patched 2.0.39 linux kernel source and most kernels have sys_vipc, CDrom, and ISO9660 built in.

This is not entirely true, since 033 kernels are based on a 2.0.40 kernel, and some older (027) kernels are still based on a patched 2.0.38 kernel.

Maybe you should also mention that 027 can use 03x kernels after installing the <a href='http://www.freescosoft.org/html/FREESCO/packages/v0.2.7/icmp-patch.htm' target='_blank'>icmp-patch</a> package for 027.

Finally the howto page needs a section howto install a kernel when you boot from an ext2 partition. I'm not 100% sure but I believe some additional steps have to be taken in that case (I'm still booting from a FAT32 partition myself).

[Slowpoke]

...so I added this to my "I Wish it was in a kernel" list (along with a coffee making feature)...

[jokemode]
Didn't you know? A lot of PCs come with a 'coffee mug holder'! Just look at the front of your PC - there should be a piece about 4" x .5" (~9.5cm x 1.5cm), with a button just underneath it. If you push the button; voilà! Instant mug holder!
[/jokemode]

Finally the howto page needs a section howto install a kernel when you boot from an ext2 partition. I'm not 100% sure but I believe some additional steps have to be taken in that case (I'm still booting from a FAT32 partition myself).

The only extra step (IIRC) is to run 'lilo' after the 'sync' and before 'reboot'. Unless you're wanting to have the choice of which kernel to boot up with, in which case you need to edit lilo.conf (and need to have the kernels all named differently) before running 'sync'.

[CDFiXER]

RAMIK, I left out mentioning the 'odd balls' from Intel

I deal with a lot of industrial type computing platforms. Sheesh do they tend to throw some odd stuff on SBC's and embedded stuff :blink:

My main Freesco beta testing box is a Pentium 266 (yes, the mobile processor) with an Intel chipset I can not even find much info on. Hmmm, I have browsed the FPT site yet though. The important thing for me is that it works. I think for you and the other advanced users these little wrinkles can cause headaches with the more advanced kernels.

Interesting on the PCIUSB card. I have one here that did the same thing when I tried it on one mobo. Have never tried it again though. You say the chipset was compatible with the kernel? Interesting! Good Find! Maybe someone, if the actual driver is available, can compile a kernel that would support the USB function. I do not think it will fit on a floppy, but there are always HDD's.

[Ramik]

Interesting on the PCIUSB card. I have one here that did the same thing when I tried it on one mobo. Have never tried it again though. You say the chipset was compatible with the kernel? Interesting! Good Find! Maybe someone, if the actual driver is available, can compile a kernel that would support the USB function. I do not think it will fit on a floppy, but there are always HDD's.

It happened to you too ? I thought its faulty hardware, now I feel much better about spending 20$ for a piece of HW I never got to use...

Here you can see this again:
<a href='http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/mature/430tx/overview.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/matur...tx/overview.htm</a>
it stated to support USB.

In <a href='http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/mature/430tx/' target='_blank'>http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/mature/430tx/</a>
You can find some specsheets, but more importantly you can see that the mobile version is renamed to "Intel 380FB PCIset" so this might be the case for you as well.

O, and if the machine doesn't even get to the BIOS, I don't think we have any use for a USB supporting kernel

[Ugly_Monkey]

I am in need of a 686/mmx dual core kernel for the latest FREESCO currently 0.3.8 i believe. My system specs are as follows:

2x Celeron 433/466 (can't remember which, lol)
Abit BP6
128mb PC-100 SDRAM
1x realtek 8139 NIC
1x tulip driver NIC
1.5gb IDE laptop HDD

Do i need dual core NIC drivers too?

Also I have been working on a very robust web control panel for freesco loosely based on freepanel. However my current freesco box is heavly used and i cant afford the down time to work on updating my NEW control panel for 0.3.8 without getting this new box running. I will be donating my control panel to the community once finished and am asking for the communities help in getting my new box running.

[Lightning]

I have uploaded a kernel that should work on your dual core system. There is also a complete set of 038 drivers for the dual kernel as well at <a href='http://lewys-spot.dyndns.org/kernels/' target='_blank'>http://lewys-spot.dyndns.org/kernels/</a>
Which should answer the question about needing special drivers for any dual core or SMP(symetric multi processor) system.
Also you should be made aware that 040 is scheduled for release on the 26th